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falconcry77 |
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January 16, 2010 03:52:44pm |
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72 |
blows 73 and 74 out of the water. just sayin...
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whirlwind dreamer 65-95 |
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January 16, 2010 04:10:25pm |
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Re: 72 |
i'll have to put my 2 sense in for 74!! one of my favorite years they had eye's of the world tweaked in 74 just saying!!! :)
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falconcry77 |
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January 16, 2010 04:20:32pm |
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i agree; however, 90% of my listening time between 72 and 74 is speant on dark stars or other ones, and 72 is king of improvisation. 73 and 74 dark stars and other ones are rehashing what they genuinely found in 72.
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Cliff Hucker |
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January 16, 2010 04:10:10pm |
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Re: 72 |
I don't know Davey...
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gmarks |
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January 16, 2010 04:29:43pm |
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Re: 72 |
yes i agree, in many meaningful ways 72 towers, precision, earnestness, joyful, the 'first' time. course europe 72 and the china cat/rider are the pinnacle for me. currently i am immersed in 71 for the 1st time and may not come out til spring!
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Jim F |
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January 16, 2010 05:56:56pm |
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When it comes to 72-74, the "short songs" are all played well and pretty much similarly, I could take versions from any year. For me, I make my judgments about those 3 years based on the long jams. For that reason, I would say that I like 72 the best out of the 3 years, myself.
I think 73 and 74 get more attention because of the influx of so much new material played so well, Eyes, HC Sunshine, Weather Report, Row Jimmy, China Doll, etc. Both are absolutely fantastic years, 2 of my favorites, but I agree with the comment about the Dark Star's/Other Ones. While good jams came out of them in the following 2 years, the ones from 72 blow away those from 73-74, for me. The few Dark Star's especially from 74 are just a little too dissonant for me, they seem to lack a certain focus that was apparent in 72.
Then there's Playing in the Band...ANY Playing in the Band from all 3 years is gonna be great, but my favorites mainly come from 73 and 74.
I think Truckin was a song that was outrageous in 72, and only matured, eventually becoming perhaps at it's best in 74.
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spacedface |
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January 16, 2010 07:47:01pm |
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Re: 72 |
I think my favorite show is 9/28/72, but that extra disc in the Grateful Dead Movie DVD is very good.
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falconcry77 |
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January 17, 2010 07:57:50am |
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i also make my judgements about those 3 years based on the jams, and i too find 72 to be in a league of its own. in fact, i judge all dead shows based on the jams, and that's why i speand so much time in 72-74, as well as 68, 69, 70,and 71. maybe a little 75. i always hear 74 referred to as jazzy and improvisational, but 72 contains the purest improvisatins the dead ever did. period. that said, i love 73 and 74, but i could spend a lifetime studying the dark stars and other ones from the europe 72 tour alone. brilliant stuff.
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Jim F |
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January 17, 2010 09:43:06pm |
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I think we must be fraternal cousins or something, all that sounds exactly like something I'd say lol.
My thoughts on the evolution between 72-74. Each year is it's own beast.
74's jamming is extremely jazzy, but more in a whacked out, late 60's/early 70's Miles Davis dissonant kind of way. It's often more loosely structured than 72, with bits of funk and rock strewn between extremely dissonant space jamming, but with that almost telepathic "turn on a dime" ability (the transitions between 10/17/74's Other One>Spanish jam>MLBJam>Other One are a perfect example of this that never cease to amaze me).
72's jazziness is more of a Coltrane kindof thing. For me, the ebb and flow shifts between the racy, jazzy jams, then pretty, soft themes, and on into almost angry/scary spaces, and then back again, all really began on Keith's first tour in 71. It evolved leaps and bounds in Europe, where the GD of 72-74 really perfected itself and their direction for the next couple of years. While they played some fantastic music following the Europe tour, I think the loss of Pig in the lineup curbed this evolution somewhat in the Fall, as you notice a couple of shows in October and November are a bit lacking in the heavy jamming department.
1973 found the band primarily working out the new material and figuring out what it was capable of. Dark Star and The Other One were still present in their longer forms, but less so than you find in 72, both played less often, and often shorter (with the exception of Dark Star, which while still evolving, the 73 renditions are pretty much in line with the 72 versions in terms of length and structure). Instead we start to see the interesting sandwiches in Playing in the Band, oddly perched Weather Reports, and of course the omnipresent Truckin>Eyes>China Doll.
Anyway I'm preaching to the choir here. That's all :)
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SkyDawg |
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January 18, 2010 12:22:52am |
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Well said! Without apologies I heartily agree with you, except for that I find the band's July through December shows of 1972 mostly brilliant too though! July was okay with a few brilliant moments, but from August '72 on until Pigpen died in March of '73 were different.
This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2010-01-18 08:22:52
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stratocaster |
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January 16, 2010 06:43:46pm |
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Re: 72 |
72 is their best year...that being said, 73 and 74 are damn good and the best shows are hall of fame worthy...
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gphishmon |
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January 17, 2010 05:03:50pm |
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I have sometimes thought 72 was their best year. However, I find myself listening to 73 and 74 more often due to the greater variety of jamming songs. In 72, you basically got a 30 min. Dark Star or Other One almost every night, with Truckin' and/or He's Gone usually preceding The Other One, plus a secondary jam or two on Playin' or Bird Song. Sometimes China>Rider would get out there, Greatest Story had a hot middle section that they (sadly) later dropped, and in the early part of the year, you had the Pigpen tunes. But otherwise, you sat through a lot of songs to get to the jams. By contrast, by spring of 73 you already had Eyes, Here Comes Sunshine, and Half Step, later that year you got WRS, and in 74, along came Scarlet. In fact, song selection is the main reason to listen to post-74 shows (H>S>F, Estimated, Fire, Terrapin, Lazy Lightning>Supplication, etc.).
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